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Two Major Studies, 125,000 Kids: The Social Media Panic Doesn’t Hold Up
Written by Mike Masnick | Originally published by Techdirt (source) | April 20, 2026 | 5 minutes | Fisked 1 time
from the yet-more-evidence-that-haidt-is-wrong dept1
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John Pettus
2 months ago
For years now, we’ve been repeatedly pointing out that the “social media is destroying kids” narrative, popularized by Jonathan Haidt and others, has been built on a foundation of shaky, often contradictory research.We’ve noted that the actual data is far more nuanced than the moral panic suggests, and that policy responses built on that panic might end up causing more harm than they prevent.1
Well, in terms of policy responses like ending Section 230 protection for user-generated content and requiring age/identity verification to use the web, those responses are almost certainly worth than what they purport to cure.
JP
John Pettus
Respect
2 months ago
Well, here come two massive new studies—one from Australia, one from the UK—that land like a sledgehammer on Haidt’s narrative—and, perhaps more importantly, on Australia’s much-celebrated social media ban for kids under 16.
The Australian study, published in JAMA Pediatrics, followed over 100,000 Australian adolescents across three years and found something that should give every policymaker pause: the relationship between social media use and well-being isn’t linear.It’s U-shaped.Perhaps most surprisingly, kids who use social media moderately have the best outcomes.Kids who use it excessively have worse outcomes.But here’s the kicker: kids who don’t use it at all also have worse outcomes.1
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John Pettus
2 months ago
This isn’t to say that all kids should use social media.Unlike some others, we’re not saying any of this shows that social media causes good or bad health outcomes.We’re pointing out that the claims of inherent harm seem not just overblown, but wrong.
From the study’s key findings:
A U-shaped association emerged where moderate social media use was associated with the best well-being outcomes, while both no use and highest use were associated with poorer well-being.For girls, moderate use became most favorable from middle adolescence onward, while for boys, no use became increasingly problematic from midadolescence, exceeding risks of high use by late adolescence.
This seems like pretty strong evidence that Haidt’s claims of inherent harm are not well-founded, and the policy proposals to ban kids entirely from social media are a bad idea.1
That may be a logical conclusion if the data does in fact show that *too little* social media use is also bad for kids.
JP
John Pettus
Respect
2 months ago
For older teenage boys, having no social media was associated with worse outcomes than having too much of it.The study found that nonusers in grades 10-12 had significantly higher odds of low well-being compared to moderate users—with boys showing an odds ratio of 3.00 and girls at 1.79.1
What does that mean? And what are the mechanisms that connect that to the over- or under-use of social media?Are we talking about- not having any friends?- poor socialization/empathy skills?- low creativity?- low happiness?I can imagine kids quitting social media, when all it shows them are attractive and popular kids having more fun than you, if you are sad or depressed. But is that correlation or causation?
JP
John Pettus
Respect
2 months ago
Meanwhile, researchers at the University of Manchester just published a separate study in the Journal of Public Health that followed 25,000 11- to 14-year-olds over three school years.Their conclusion?Screen time spent on social media or gaming does not cause mental health problems in teenagers.At all.
From the Guardian’s coverage of the UK study:
The study found no evidence for boys or girls that heavier social media use or more frequent gaming increased teenagers’ symptoms of anxiety or depression over the following year.Increases in girls’ and boys’ social media use from year 8 to year 9 and from year 9 to year 10 had zero detrimental impact on their mental health the following year.
Zero.Not “small.”Not “modest.”Zero.
The UK researchers also examined whether how kids use social media matters—active chatting versus passive scrolling.The answer?Neither appeared to drive mental health difficulties.As lead author Dr. Qiqi Cheng put it:
We know families are worried, but our results do not support the idea that simply spending time on social media or gaming leads to mental health problems – the story is far more complex than that.
The Australian researchers, to their credit, are appropriately cautious about causation:
While heavy use was associated with poorer well-being and abstinence sometimes coincided with less favorable outcomes, these findings are observational and should be interpreted cautiously.
But while researchers urge caution, politicians have been happy to sprint ahead.
Australia leapt into the fray, and the ban has so far proven to be a complete mess.
The entire premise of Australia’s ban—and similar proposals floating around in various US states and across Europe—is that social media is inherently harmful to young people, and that removing access is protective.But both studies suggest the reality is far more complicated.The Australian researchers explicitly call this out:
Social media’s association with adolescent well-being is complex and nonlinear, suggesting that both abstinence and excessive use can be problematic depending on developmental stage and sex.
In other words: Australia’s ban may be taking kids who would have been moderate users with good outcomes and forcing them into the “no use” category that the study associates with worse well-being.1
That assumes there is a causal relationship between social media use and these well-being outcomes.
JP
John Pettus
Respect
2 months ago
It’s potentially the worst of all possible policy outcomes.
The UK study’s co-author, Prof. Neil Humphrey, reinforced this point:
Our findings tell us that young people’s choices around social media and gaming may be shaped by how they’re feeling but not necessarily the other way around.Rather than blaming technology itself, we need to pay attention to what young people are doing online, who they’re connecting with and how supported they feel in their daily lives.1
Insightful
JP
John Pettus
2 months ago
That’s a crucial distinction that the moral panic crowd keeps glossing over: correlation running in the opposite direction than assumed.1
Biased Wording
"moral panic crowd" is not neutral language.
JP
John Pettus
Respect
2 months ago
Kids who are already struggling, and who aren’t getting the support they need, might use social media differently—not the other way around.1
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JP
John Pettus
2 months ago
This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who has been paying attention.We’ve covered study after study showing that the relationship between social media and teen mental health is complicated, context-dependent, and nowhere near as clear-cut as Haidt’s “The Anxious Generation” would have you believe.As we’ve noted before, correlation is not causation, and the timing of teen mental health declines doesn’t actually line up neatly with smartphone adoption the way the narrative claims.1
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JP
John Pettus
2 months ago
But nuance doesn’t make for good headlines or popular books.“Social Media Is Complicated And The Effects Depend On How You Use It, Your Age, Your Sex, And A Bunch Of Other Factors” doesn’t quite have the same ring as “Smartphones Destroyed A Generation.”1
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John Pettus
2 months ago
No one’s beating down my door to write a book detailing the trade-offs and nuances.Instead, Haidt’s book remains on the NY Times’ best seller list almost two years after being published.
The Australian study also highlights something else that should be obvious but apparently needs repeating: social media serves genuine social functions for teenagers.Being completely cut off from the platforms where your peers are socializing, sharing, and connecting has costs.The researchers note:
Heavy use has been associated with distress, while abstinence may cause missed connections.
This is what we’ve been saying forever.These platforms aren’t just “distraction machines” or “attention hijackers” or whatever scary framing is popular this week.They’re where social life happens for a lot of young people.Cutting kids off entirely doesn’t return them to some idyllic pre-digital social existence.It cuts them off from their actual social world.
Both sets of researchers make the same point: online experiences aren’t inherently harmless—hurtful messages, online pressures, and extreme content can have real effects.But blunt instruments like time-based restrictions or outright bans completely miss the target, and are unlikely to help those who need it most.The Australian authors recommend “promotion of balanced and purposeful digital engagement as part of a broader strategy.”
That’s… actually sensible policy advice?Based on actual evidence?
Imagine that.
Meanwhile, Australia is out there celebrating how many accounts it’s deleted, tech companies are scrambling to comply with fines of up to $49.5 million, the UK is actively considering following Australia’s lead, and policymakers around the world are looking at Australia as a model to follow.
Maybe—just maybe—they should look at the actual research coming out of Australia and the UK instead.
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Wed, Jan 21st 2026 12:22pm - Mike Masnick
For years now, we’ve been repeatedly pointing out that the “social media is destroying kids” narrative, popularized by Jonathan Haidt and others, has been built on a foundation of shaky, often contradictory research. We’ve noted that the actual data is far more nuanced than the moral panic suggests, and that policy responses built on that panic might end up causing more harm than they prevent.
The Australian study, published in JAMA Pediatrics, followed over 100,000 Australian adolescents across three years and found something that should give every policymaker pause: the relationship between social media use and well-being isn’t linear. It’s U-shaped. Perhaps most surprisingly, kids who use social media moderately have the best outcomes. Kids who use it excessively have worse outcomes. But here’s the kicker: kids who don’t use it at all also have worse outcomes.
This isn’t to say that all kids should use social media. Unlike some others, we’re not saying any of this shows that social media causes good or bad health outcomes. We’re pointing out that the claims of inherent harm seem not just overblown, but wrong.
From the study’s key findings:
A U-shaped association emerged where moderate social media use was associated with the best well-being outcomes, while both no use and highest use were associated with poorer well-being. For girls, moderate use became most favorable from middle adolescence onward, while for boys, no use became increasingly problematic from midadolescence, exceeding risks of high use by late adolescence.
This seems like pretty strong evidence that Haidt’s claims of inherent harm are not well-founded, and the policy proposals to ban kids entirely from social media are a bad idea. For older teenage boys, having no social media was associated with worse outcomes than having too much of it. The study found that nonusers in grades 10-12 had significantly higher odds of low well-being compared to moderate users—with boys showing an odds ratio of 3.00 and girls at 1.79.
Meanwhile, researchers at the University of Manchester just published a separate study in the Journal of Public Health that followed 25,000 11- to 14-year-olds over three school years. Their conclusion? Screen time spent on social media or gaming does not cause mental health problems in teenagers. At all.
From the Guardian’s coverage of the UK study:
The study found no evidence for boys or girls that heavier social media use or more frequent gaming increased teenagers’ symptoms of anxiety or depression over the following year. Increases in girls’ and boys’ social media use from year 8 to year 9 and from year 9 to year 10 had zero detrimental impact on their mental health the following year.
Zero. Not “small.” Not “modest.” Zero.
The UK researchers also examined whether how kids use social media matters—active chatting versus passive scrolling. The answer? Neither appeared to drive mental health difficulties. As lead author Dr. Qiqi Cheng put it:
We know families are worried, but our results do not support the idea that simply spending time on social media or gaming leads to mental health problems – the story is far more complex than that.
The Australian researchers, to their credit, are appropriately cautious about causation:
While heavy use was associated with poorer well-being and abstinence sometimes coincided with less favorable outcomes, these findings are observational and should be interpreted cautiously.
But while researchers urge caution, politicians have been happy to sprint ahead.
Australia leapt into the fray, and the ban has so far proven to be a complete mess.
The entire premise of Australia’s ban—and similar proposals floating around in various US states and across Europe—is that social media is inherently harmful to young people, and that removing access is protective. But both studies suggest the reality is far more complicated. The Australian researchers explicitly call this out:
Social media’s association with adolescent well-being is complex and nonlinear, suggesting that both abstinence and excessive use can be problematic depending on developmental stage and sex.
In other words: Australia’s ban may be taking kids who would have been moderate users with good outcomes and forcing them into the “no use” category that the study associates with worse well-being. It’s potentially the worst of all possible policy outcomes.
The UK study’s co-author, Prof. Neil Humphrey, reinforced this point:
Our findings tell us that young people’s choices around social media and gaming may be shaped by how they’re feeling but not necessarily the other way around. Rather than blaming technology itself, we need to pay attention to what young people are doing online, who they’re connecting with and how supported they feel in their daily lives.
That’s a crucial distinction that the moral panic crowd keeps glossing over: correlation running in the opposite direction than assumed. Kids who are already struggling, and who aren’t getting the support they need, might use social media differently—not the other way around.
This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone who has been paying attention. We’ve covered study after study showing that the relationship between social media and teen mental health is complicated, context-dependent, and nowhere near as clear-cut as Haidt’s “The Anxious Generation” would have you believe. As we’ve noted before, correlation is not causation, and the timing of teen mental health declines doesn’t actually line up neatly with smartphone adoption the way the narrative claims.
But nuance doesn’t make for good headlines or popular books. “Social Media Is Complicated And The Effects Depend On How You Use It, Your Age, Your Sex, And A Bunch Of Other Factors” doesn’t quite have the same ring as “Smartphones Destroyed A Generation.”
No one’s beating down my door to write a book detailing the trade-offs and nuances. Instead, Haidt’s book remains on the NY Times’ best seller list almost two years after being published.
The Australian study also highlights something else that should be obvious but apparently needs repeating: social media serves genuine social functions for teenagers. Being completely cut off from the platforms where your peers are socializing, sharing, and connecting has costs. The researchers note:
Heavy use has been associated with distress, while abstinence may cause missed connections.
This is what we’ve been saying forever. These platforms aren’t just “distraction machines” or “attention hijackers” or whatever scary framing is popular this week. They’re where social life happens for a lot of young people. Cutting kids off entirely doesn’t return them to some idyllic pre-digital social existence. It cuts them off from their actual social world.
Both sets of researchers make the same point: online experiences aren’t inherently harmless—hurtful messages, online pressures, and extreme content can have real effects. But blunt instruments like time-based restrictions or outright bans completely miss the target, and are unlikely to help those who need it most. The Australian authors recommend “promotion of balanced and purposeful digital engagement as part of a broader strategy.”
That’s… actually sensible policy advice? Based on actual evidence?
Imagine that.
Meanwhile, Australia is out there celebrating how many accounts it’s deleted, tech companies are scrambling to comply with fines of up to $49.5 million, the UK is actively considering following Australia’s lead, and policymakers around the world are looking at Australia as a model to follow.
Maybe—just maybe—they should look at the actual research coming out of Australia and the UK instead.
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There are tons and tons of studies saying it DOES cause issues for kids, and it’s also kinda obvious to any parent or someone who works with kids.
So no, your cherry picked studies don’t really make all that go away.
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There are tons and tons of studies saying it DOES cause issues for kids
There literally are not. There are studies that show that some percentage (generally somewhere between 5 and 10%) do struggle with it, but it remains unclear as to why or how, with the best suggestion so far being that they are children who are dealing with mental health issues and not getting the help they need, which causes them to turn to social media, rather than getting help.
So no, your cherry picked studies don’t really make all that go away.
It’s not cherry picked. These are two massively large studies published in top notch journals. The fact that there are no real comprehensive studies that show the opposite… well…
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There are studies that show that some percentage (generally somewhere between 5 and 10%) do struggle with it
I didn’t say “all kids”. Smoking gives you cancer. It doesn’t give EVERYONE cancer, that’s not what that means. 10% is a lot, actually.
It’s not cherry picked.
Yeah, they are.
10% is a lot.
Idiot.
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I’m sorry. I thought I was responding to someone who had at least a modicum of understanding about statistics and social sciences. Now that I realize you do not, I will move on to more productive things.
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10% is a lot.
And 90% is, what, a smaller number?
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If every time you ate blueberries, there was a 10% chance you lost a finger, would you think 10% is a lot, or a little?
Your comment is, as usual, completely pointless, and it’s funny you don’t realize it.
It’s not like 51% of heavy smokers get lung cancer. That is not how this works. The fact it’s way less than that does not make the risk of cancer from smoking “small”.
fuuuuck what you said was so stupid.
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If every time you ate blueberries, there was a 10% chance you lost a finger, would you think 10% is a lot, or a little?
I would think “why the fuck am I eating blueberries if I could lose a finger by eating one, what the fuck is wrong with me, I’m not a fucking Trump worshipper”.
And while I do get your point about relativity and all, you still have to remember that 10% is, in terms of statistics, a far smaller number than 90%. We can look at the 10% and wonder what the hell’s going on there while still acknowledging the other 90%. It’s a lot like vaccines: Yes, there can be extreme negative side effects, but they’re so statistically rare in the documented history of vaccinations that we can both acknowledge how overwhelmingly safe vaccines have been over said documented history and still put an effort into studying those rare side effects so we might find a way to potentially mitigate them.
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Smoking […] doesn’t give EVERYONE cancer
In exchange for some of them getting cancer, smokers get… weight loss, perhaps? But it’s not a particularly good way to lose weight, which leaves very little upside.
Social media lets people communicate, which is generally recognized as good for mental health. That’s a potentially significant upside that needs to be weighed against any downsides—especially for those people who, for whatever reason, don’t “fit in” locally.
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What makes that the best suggestion? I feel like AC’s comment below is the best explanation and the most reasonable take.
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That was what Prof. Candice Odgers found, and her whole career has been spent studying kids and tech. She initially tried to prove that social media was bad for mental health, and tried to do so over and over again, and couldn’t find the evidence for it. But she did see evidence that supported that reverse causality, of kids who did not have needed mental health support turning to social media for lack of a better option.
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The fact that there are no real comprehensive studies that show the opposite… well…
There are in fact real studies that find the opposite (including ones that use the cross lag approach used in e.g. Cheng that you’re citing). You typically discount them as correlational so therefore not counting, but they do exist. (and to be clear, there are others that don’t find evidence of it. It is by no means one way).
There’s also a few studies like Braghieri 2022, which is also comprehensive, well cited, and causal. And for some reason, never gets acknowledged either.
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There’s also a few studies like Braghieri 2022, which is also comprehensive, well cited, and causal. And for some reason, never gets acknowledged either.
Venturing a guess, the reason the Braghieri study may not be considered overly relevant could have something to do with these caveats as noted by the authors:
The results presented in this paper, which rely on the staggered rollout of Facebook
across US college campuses in 2004–2006, should be interpreted with caution for
several reasons.
First, our estimates cannot speak directly to the effects of social
media features (e.g., news pages) that were introduced after the time period we analyze. Similarly, our estimates cannot speak directly to the possibility that years of
experience with the platform might teach users ways to mitigate the negative effects
on mental health. 3
Second, despite being the core component of most mental health diagnoses, self-reports may still suffer from measurement error due to recall bias, lack of incentives, and social image concerns.4
Finally, we note that our estimates are local to college students, a population of direct interest in the discussion about the recent worsening of mental health trends among adolescents and young adults. Nevertheless, future research should test whether social media has a similar effect on the mental health of other demographic groups.
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Venturing a guess, the reason the Braghieri study may not be considered overly relevant could have something to do with these caveats as noted by the authors:
Maybe? We shouldn’t have to guess, is the thing. For all we know, Mike’s never read it. But even if that’s the case, I don’t it can justify saying things like “no studies”/”no evidence”, especially when you’re writing to an audience that isn’t going to know it exists. It is relevant evidence. I’ve mentioned it before, but I think it’s reasonable to say you don’t think Braghieri and similar studies are convincing, for whatever reason. But I do think you have to acknowledge they exist, even if they don’t rise to the bar you’d want to see.
That said, those particular caveats don’t seem to warrant labeling it as not relevant, especially as one of the very very few truly causal studies (but YMMV)? So I’d be interested to hear an actual argument for how they justify that. As far as caveats go, they’re pretty mild, and typical for an academic paper. Academic papers are usually very careful about what they can actually claim, which is why at least one of papers (the open source one. can’t see the other) above also has a similar limitations sections, but that doesn’t make them useless. Citations aren’t everything, but there’s a reason it’s cited 800 times, and it’s not because it’s irrelevant.
Ideally, we’d follow it up with a bunch of other studies. But Baghieri is special, because you can’t easily recreate that sort of natural experiment. There’s a reason we don’t have many causal studies, and we’re stuck using stuff like cross-lags or RCTs instead. The reason I harp on Baghieri in particular is because it’s truly causal, which Mike likes to make a big deal of (which coincidentally excludes most studies). But if you’re willing to look at correlational studies, there’s a lot more data. And that’s another egregious issue- he often says there’s no causal evidence, but he doesn’t mention why. It would be vastly different to present that properly.
TLDR is nothing justifies it being so irrelevant as to ignore it completely, even if you don’t find it completely compelling.
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“which causes them to turn to social media, rather than getting help”
I thought we needed kids to be able to access social media to get the help they need. Or is that only trans kids that get help there, the rest get professional help?
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I thought we needed kids to be able to access social media to get the help they need. Or is that only trans kids that get help there, the rest get professional help?
Why does is not surprise me that you can’t fathom that finding community can be important for some groups, which is different than getting professional support for mental health crisis.
The only way your comment makes sense is if you think that being trans is a mental illness, which really says a lot about you. None of it good.
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“you think that being trans is a mental illness”
Yes
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Then you are a very stupid, ignorant, hateful person and I hope that one day you will educate yourself, learn some empathy and humility, and mature.
Until then, fuck off.
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You sound no different from antivaxxers.
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You sound no different from antivaxxers.
This is funny, cuz you don’t even know what that MEANS.
Do you think all vaccines are the same? The flu vaccine has a 40% effectiveness rate. It’s a REALLY shitty vaccine. It also has no real side effects beyond making you feel like crap for a day, but it’s still crap.
Early Polio vaccines on the other hand, could have deadly side effects. A lot of early vaccines would sometimes just cause the disease they were meant to stop (cuz not all the viruses had been “killed”).
The MMR vaccine on the other hand is great, you should always get it.
Anyway, you’re ignorant af and responding from a political reflex, is the point.
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I haven’t read the studies but I would have thought that the kids that don’t have any social media usage might have worse outcomes because their peers are all using it and they are being left out? So taking it away from all children would possibly remove those negative outcomes.
Same with phones in schools, unless all kids are banned then the ones that don’t have them are going to missing a significant percentage of social interaction that is happening. I’ve seen several stories of kids apparently being happy when phones were banned from their schools.
Some of the brightest minds in the world are spending their not inconsiderable talents figuring out how to get kids (and adults) addicted to their platforms no matter what the cost.
In general terms though, what good has social media actually brought overall? Why are you such a firm believer that this is good for kids and should be encouraged? Texting, chats and other forms of communication are still available outside of Facebook and TikTok etc, we don’t need to live our lives on algorithmically generated content mills.
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“So taking it away from all children would possibly remove those negative outcomes”
The answer to people being socially isolated is not to make everyone socially isolated.
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Taking social media away from children doesn’t lead to social isolation.
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Socially isolated from what? Sure, they might be isolated from the rest of the world, but if ALL of the kids (at one school, e.g.) don’t have their noses glued to their phones, then they will ALL be looking up and around at each other – and realize that their social situation is with each other, in their physical bodies – they can actually speak to each other with their mouths, rather than through their screens. They will not be socially isolated from each other just because they don’t have their social media. They will be social with each other like we all were before there were smart phones.
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You already live in a consumerism-dominated society and economy created by those bright minds going back ages. Maybe we should be fixing society and capitalism instead.
What good is it for people to communicate outside whatever local closet they live in? How stupid for anyone to ever do otherwise.
No, the downsides aren’t cause by FOMO. Are you even serious.
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Is there some under-appreciated, readable and accessible, potential new best-seller out there — one based on sound data, properly evaluated and reflecting the perspective from relevant expertise — that deserves to be promoted as a counter-narrative debunking of Haidt’s Anxious Generation and similar social-media focused panic mongering?
It’s been almost two years since Anxious Generation came out — a proper popular debunking seems overdue…
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Pete Etchell’s Unlocked is kinda like that!
https://www.peteetchells.com/unlocked-book
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The problem is that is all the time the actual scientists spend doing science, the “social media is drugs” grifters get to spend on propagandizing.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll check it out.
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And there’s Danah Boyd’s 2014 study, It’s Complicated, which is readily available to download as a PDF from her site. In the UK, Sonia Livingstone at the LSE has done some research on the benefits of online access for teens and younger kids.
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I’ll theck those out, too. Thanks.
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I worked for a little under a year at a children’s psychiatric ward. I haven’t really engaged in this debate too deeply so my observations should always come with that grain of salt, but there is definitely a good argument to be made that the kids who are already struggling will be most negatively affected by social media. A lot of the kids I saw had difficult home lives on top of organic mental illnesses and/or cognitive disabilities. A lot of them were angry and isolated before they began exploring online communities, and even more of them had conditions like autism and/or ADHD which, from a personal perspective (I have autism), can make the unceasing onslaught of content that is the internet overwhelming and all consuming. Many autistic people like myself also struggle with the fact that people lie. I (and several friends I know) are almost pre programmed to take people at their word, especially if they are appear to be a compelling source of information. This makes autistic kids pretty vulnerable to an online bullying, manipulation, and misinformation. That doesn’t mean keeping us offline, though. Maybe we should be studying more specific groups of children and targeting solutions rather than just outright bans for all.
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the “no use” part of this is the real kicker because it shows that cutting kids off entirely can be just as bad as letting them scroll all day. it makes sense if all your friends are in a group chat and you’re the only one locked out because of a ban you arent being “shielded” you’re just being left out and isolated. politicians love a “save the children” headline but they’re ignoring the fact that for a lot of kids, social media is actually where they find community or even the courage to ask for help. if they actually cared about well-being they’d focus on real support like therapist.org/directory so people have someone to talk to when they feel that isolation, instead of just taking the lazy way out with a ban that probably makes things worse.
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No, it does not show that. That’s the problem with observational vs. prospective research. All we know is there a correlation between non-use and poorer outcomes (compared to moderate use). What we don’t know is whether those kids would have had poorer outcomes regardless of whether they had access to social media or not, especially if all their peers also had access removed. It’s easy to come up with causal arguments both ways. For example, non-users may have had poorer outcomes because the kind of kids who naturally don’t want to use social media are social outcasts, maladjusted, antisocial, etc. This is therefore a group that is much more enriched for poor behavior than the average, moderate use group.
It’s of course also easy to go to a historical argument. Kids were fine growing up before social media existed. There is zero reason to think that kids NEED social media for healthy development!
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I think that to say that kids who use no social media have worse outcomes is to miss a very important point:
It is only BECAUSE of the existence of social media that real-world social spaces have disappeared. The problem created by social media is easier to deal with if you use social media.
Get rid of social media entirely and the physical spaces will need to be rebuilt. Once they’re back, everybody will be happier.
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Cupertino d'État
Jun 12, 2026Season 1Episode 106
Mike Masnick & Ben Whitelaw
In this week's episode, Mike and Ben cover:
- Tech bosses threatened with prison if they fail to protect children (The Times)
- Apple and Google given three months to ban nude images on children's devices (BBC News)
- Keir Starmer’s social media ban for under-16s could backfire, experts warn (OpenDemocracy)
- Apple previews new child safety features (Apple)
- Apple's WWDC keynote was very different, but this will be the new normal (9to5mac)
- Ottawa introduces bill to restrict social media for teens, regulate AI chatbots (Globe and Mail)
- Australia builds enforcement layer behind age assurance laws (Biometric Update)
- NCAC Welcomes Meta Oversight Board's New Account Recommendations (NCAC)
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- aabsurdity:They're simply choosing to escalate rather than retreat. It will not end well for them.
- Leah Abram:In lighter stories
- I just found out that there's fan-fiction of The Maltese Falcon that actually resolves the story with closure: https://www.amazon.com/Return-Ma...\ https://www.amazon.com/Return-Maltese-Falcon-Allan-Collins/
- I ❤️ The Public Domain!
- BentFranklin:If Trump runs for a third term let's nominate Obama to run against him.
- Leah Abram:[gifv]\ https://tenor.com/view/do-it-star-wars-emperor-palpatine-palpatine-gif-7523581979863470761
- BentFranklin:Trump Tower Tehran: you heard it here first
- tomacamot:I wish I hadn't
- candescence:So the judge for that $10b IRS Trump case agreed to reopen it.
- https://thehill.com/regulation/c...\ https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5902065-trump-irs-lawsuit-reopened/
- imatool13:I imagined all roads would lead to this anyway, just didn't assume this quickly.
- John Roddy:Not *quite*
- More like dragging the plaintiff back into court to explain
- aabsurdity:Bluesky's new moderation system silencing entire accounts for posting adult content is pretty bleak. :(
- https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc...\ https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:34ydeurdtukrpzjjelklch4y/post/3mn5p4mttas22 https://bsky.app/profile/teethgr...\ https://bsky.app/profile/teethgrip.bsky.social/post/3mn4kej3ctk2q
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- That last paragraph is just too perfect
- intelati:What.
What a cursed sentence/timeline
- https://bsky.app/profile/mjsdc.b...\ https://bsky.app/profile/mjsdc.bsky.social/post/3mna7cn7lpc2j
- Oh.
- aabsurdity:Thomas evidently spending so much time wearing his klan hood, nobody's had the heart to tell him he's black...
- Mike Masnick:there was that biographer of thomas who says he's actually never given up his black radical past, but believes that the only way for Black radicalism to succeed is to remove any and all attempts to help the Black community so that they have to do it entirely on their own. A kind of accelerationist argument
- John Roddy:This is why I tell people they're missing the point when they suggest that he's reaching for another Plessy v Fergusson
- Nah. More like Prigg v Pennsylvania.
- candescence:https://bsky.app/profile/justinb...\ https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3mnaqomeegc26
- Yeah, ngl this is legitimately an ass-backwards change that defeats the point of putting content filters in the hands of users and kinda punishes users for correctly marking posts as NSFW https://bsky.app/profile/chocomi...\ https://bsky.app/profile/chocomingo.bsky.social/post/3mmz2dycdjk2v
- Leah Abram:Agreed. Bluesky enshittified itself.
- (I don't know if Mr. C. Doctorow would agree with my usage of that term, though)
- John Roddy:They already started rolling it back
- Leah Abram:Wait, what? BlueSky disenshittified themselves? 😮
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- I don't understand how
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- Am I feeling…pride?
- [gifv]\ https://klipy.com/gifs/what-nani-1
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- candescence:Must've been a well-intentioned change that the staff _really_ did not think through
- But they really should stop with these sudden changes without community input
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- How did they walk into such an obvious backlash like this?
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- Bluesky moderation has stepped on a few rakes, but this really scared the whole artist community, given all the NSFW and SFW creators whose lives and livelihoods were decimated by PayPal in recent months.
- https://bsky.app/profile/safety....\ https://bsky.app/profile/safety.bsky.app/post/3mnb7cza5yc2g I really could do without the idea that the concept of humans having bodies is inherently harmful to people until they turn 18.
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- 🤮.
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- Nick Bilton is a thin-skinned stooge.
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- aabsurdity:https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3...\ https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3fS5NyKzygU
- Seems to be a decent summary.
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I hate this timeline
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And increasing therein
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- And my brain immediately did the movie trailer guy voice for "from the makers of Driving Ms Daisy"
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- [article]\ https://blog.includesecurity.com/2026/06/the-smart-tv-in-your-livingroom-is-a-node-in-the-aiscraping-economy/
- Leah Abram:This is why Dumb TVs are a smart option!
- I want a TV dumber than Pete Hegseth!
- tomacamot:Or simply don't connect your TV to the Internet
- candescence:Scott Pelley is now free to shit on his former bosses and tell the world how much of a propaganda rag CBS is becoming: https://youtu.be/ePqdmbgQ4BI?si=...\ https://youtu.be/ePqdmbgQ4BI?si=DZq7rY81Ur9IcKUt
- Quotes include "Bari Weiss Emailed my Boss and asked 'Can you make the protestors look more violent?'" and "Can you describe Renee Good as 'driving at the officer'?"
- This is why you don't fire people who know where the bodies are buried.
- aabsurdity:Someone said something today that I genuinely hadn't considered, which was the idea that this isn't an anti-journalism conservative deliberately torching a journalistic institution because the money they're spending doesn't mean anything any more, or that the death of CBS is simply advantageous, and instead that this is a project someone believes in and thinks it's going to work. And I have to admit that I didn't even see that as a possibility, but now that I have, that might make it worse.
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- aabsurdity:Genuinely baffling.
- intelati:https://bsky.app/profile/cdelawa...\ https://bsky.app/profile/cdelawalla.bsky.social/post/3mnrigweehc2t
- candescence:It looks like Microsoft and Sony's gaming divisions have almost entirely reverted back to exclusivity
- Leah Abram:The golden age is over. This is like when Comedy Specials went from DRM-free video files to being included with streaming services
- candescence:Sony's pulling back from single-player PC releases is a bit more questionable since low sales there are kinda self-inflicted due to late but overpriced releases, but the Xbox division has a new boss and it seems she's decided that multiplatform releases simply aren't working and are hurting the brand
- timothygeigner:Trust me, the exclusivity thing is on my radar. I definitely have things to say about it.
- Though why Microsoft won't just admit that they lost the console wars is beyond me.
- John Roddy:My favorite was the clarification that the new Gears of War would be *exclusive* to Xbox.
- And PC.
- The ol' Ubisoft-style definition of exclusive.
- aabsurdity:As a PC gamer... 🤷
- BentFranklin:Landmark German ruling declares Google's AI Overviews are Google's own words and makes it liable for false answers
- [article]\ https://the-decoder.com/landmark-german-ruling-declares-googles-ai-overviews-are-googles-own-words-and-makes-it-liable-for-false-answers/
- aabsurdity:> First I came for the Communists > And I laughed > Because I was not a Communist > Then I came for the Socialists > And I laughed > Because I was not a Socialist > Then I came for the trade unionists > And I laughed > Because I was not a trade unionist > Then I came for the Jews > And I laughed > Because I was not a Jew > Then they came for me > “If he would do that to me, he would do that to anybody,” I said > “There’s never going to be good enough for him, other than 100 percent, you know, slavish adherence to whatever he wants.“
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